zope : Message: Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in ZTK

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Lennart Regebro wrote:

> 2009/7/5 Tobias Rodäbel <tobias.rodaebel@...>:
>> I'd like to mention repoze.bfg here. It takes a fairly small set of
>> zope.* packages.
>
> Sure. Nothing says you have to use *all* ZTK packages either. It's a
> collection of packages for building web frameworks. BFG is amazingly
> minimalistic and will by itself only include a very small set of ZTK
> packages, and I would be surprised if it ever included all the ZTK
> packages. Maybe I stretch the word too much, but I would almost say
> that BFG isn't dependent on ZTK, but just on the Zope Component
> Architecture.

BFG-the-framework uses the "bicycle seat toolkit" (zope.interface,
zope.component, and dependencies). The complete set of direct
dependencies are:

$ cat eggs/repoze.bfg-1.0b2-py2.6.egg/EGG-INFO/requires.txt
setuptools
chameleon.core >= 1.0b32
chameleon.zpt >= 1.0b16
PasteScript
WebOb
zope.interface >= 3.5.1
zope.component >= 3.6.0
zope.deprecation
repoze.zcml
repoze.lru
martian

BFG apps don't necessarily require anything beyond BFG's dependencies:

- - They may or may not use the "mini-ZTK" packages directly, because
decorator-style view registrations make thinking about the ZCA
optional.

- - They often use a few extra ZTK pacakges, e.g. zope.index.

- - ZODB is optional; apps using an ORM don't need it.

- - BFG apps normally use the chameleon implementation of ZPT, but that
isn't a requirement: the application is free to use another
templating system, or the zope.pagetemplate implemenatation.

Tres.
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Hi, I took the Zope 3.4 KGS, removed the obvious packages that do not belong to the ZTK out of the list and created a home for the master list that defines...

Christian Theune
ct@...

Jul 4, 2009
11:34 am

... Hash: SHA1 ... Thanks for putting the list together! A couple of observations: - - Jim asked us to remove 'zodbcode' and dependencies ('zope.app.module', ...

Tres Seaver
tseaver@...

Jul 4, 2009
5:32 pm

Hi, ... Check. I moved those to the "deprecated" list. ... And the package name already said so. I've also moved it to the "deprecated" list. ... Hmm. There's...

Christian Theune
ct@...

Jul 6, 2009
6:59 am

... To be honest, I am very disappointed by this list. It is totally meaningless to me since it does not represent any list with which I can build even a ...

Stephan Richter
srichter@...

Jul 4, 2009
11:55 pm

... Maybe not surprisingly I have the opposite feeling. To me, it's already a pretty large set of "definite" packages (~60), and a definitely large set of ...

Chris McDonough
chrism@...

Jul 5, 2009
12:42 am

... Yes ... Yes. Generally, these packages should require very little maintenance. They've gotten a lot recently to try to reduce dependencies, but I don't...

Jim Fulton
jim@...

Jul 6, 2009
1:58 pm

... As I understand it, ZTK is not meant to build applications on. It's meant to build application servers on. ZTK is supposed to be tha base on which we build...

Lennart Regebro
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Jul 5, 2009
5:07 am

Hi, ... I'd like to mention repoze.bfg here. It takes a fairly small set of zope.* packages. What the ZTK is will be finally defined by the included packages....

Tobias RodÃ¤bel
tobias.rodaebel@...

Jul 5, 2009
9:15 am

... Sure. Nothing says you have to use *all* ZTK packages either. It's a collection of packages for building web frameworks. BFG is amazingly minimalistic and...

Lennart Regebro
regebro@...

Jul 5, 2009
11:21 am

... (Which of course doesn't the ZTK from being useful in writing BFG apps. Just not REQUIRED.) -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok ...

Lennart Regebro
regebro@...

Jul 5, 2009
11:22 am

... Hash: SHA1 ... BFG-the-framework uses the "bicycle seat toolkit" (zope.interface, zope.component, and dependencies). The complete set of direct ...

Tres Seaver
tseaver@...

Jul 5, 2009
4:21 pm

... Fun name. Any reason for calling it this instead of the ZCA? Except that it's obviously are funnier? :-) -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok ...

Lennart Regebro
regebro@...

Jul 5, 2009
7:03 pm

... Hash: SHA1 ... Two reasons: - - The set I have been describing with that term is a little bigger the ZCA: it includes zope.testing, for instance. - - I...

Tres Seaver
tseaver@...

Jul 6, 2009
2:23 am

Hi, ... Good catch! The package `zope.catalog` was refactored out of zope.app.catalog and wasn't in the 3.4 KGS that I used. Damn. I need to rerun with the...

Christian Theune
ct@...

Jul 6, 2009
6:37 am

... Agreed. The ZTK is pulled into one direction or another (is it a renamed and refocused Zope 3? or is it a framework construction kit? or a set of libraries...

Martijn Faassen
faassen@...

Aug 6, 2009
4:26 pm

... The following packages say about themselves that they are deprecated, so I proprose moving them to the "deprecated" section in the package listing as well...

Wolfgang Schnerring
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Jul 23, 2009
6:37 am

... Silence is consent, isn't it? ;-) Commited in r102361. Wolfgang _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@... ...

Wolfgang Schnerring
ws@...

Jul 29, 2009
5:45 am

... Yes. Thanks for taking the time. -- Christian Theune · ct@... gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany ...

Christian Theune
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Jul 29, 2009
5:55 am

... Yes. Thanks for taking the time. -- Christian Theune · ct@... gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany ...

Christian Theune
ct@...

Jul 29, 2009
6:00 am

... Why is zope.ucol in the list? It's a pain to install (and thus test) because it needs ICU. Jim -- Jim Fulton ...

Jim Fulton
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Aug 11, 2009
9:40 pm

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim Fulton<jim@...> wrote: ... BTW, I hope that zope.ucol isn't needed (when you need unicode collation badly enough that...

Jim Fulton
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Aug 11, 2009
9:53 pm

... +1 on removing zope.ucol from the list. Regards, Martijn _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@... ...

Martijn Faassen
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Aug 25, 2009
4:15 pm

... Hash: SHA1 Hi, ... It is in there because I started that list from an inclusive point of view, removing things that shouldn't be in there. I'll take...

Christian Theune
ct@...

Aug 13, 2009
6:43 am

... I think zope.wfmc and zope.app.wfmc should be removed. I don't think they're widely used. I don't use them any more and I wrote them. :) I'm not...

Jim Fulton
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Aug 14, 2009
10:32 am

... +1 to removing those. ... +1 as well. Regards, Martijn _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@... ...

Martijn Faassen
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Aug 25, 2009
4:40 pm

Cool. I just updated the .rst file. Someone else has to update the web site. :) Jim ... -- Jim Fulton _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev...

Jim Fulton
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Aug 25, 2009
5:44 pm

... It's automatically updated every day (or faster?) by a cron-job. This makes life really easy for us developers to publish information online. :) Regards, ...

Martijn Faassen
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Aug 27, 2009
12:50 pm

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